So the question I had was - is it that you're not very smart or that you're selfish if you smoke while pregnant?You want to say both, right? I'm going to say that it's ultimately a selfish thing. You probably are smart enough to know how bad it is, but above that comes the me factor.
just a thought motivated by a visual reminder of how crazy this world can be...
I was almost fired from a job because I refused to serve a pregnant lady alcohol. Guess who won that argument?
ReplyDeleteAnd then she continued to consume three more glasses and lit up when her meal was done.
I did end up quitting that job two months later...
Yeah, I guess if a woman wants to not give up their bad habits or has an addiction, they should probably have an abortion.
ReplyDeleteOn a less sarcastic note, I think while a mother is pregnant the father should have to give up all of his unhealthy habits too or be judged harshly by the bartender (and society). Fair is fair, right?
Wait, what? How did abortion become a piece of this?
ReplyDeletethis one really came out of left field - I didn't expect a pro pregnant smoking comment.
ReplyDeleteand somehow this became a woman vs. man thing?
Man, I woke up in some alternate universe today. What happened?
ReplyDeleteIf you've never been pregnant, you don't get to judge people who have.
ReplyDeleteI gave up chocolate and caffeine for 9 months and watched my husband eat and drink whatever he wanted, not always sensitively.
Are drinking, smoking, caffeine and all other bad health habits immoral while your pregnant? I think so... What I get irritated about is when someone who has never been pregnant gets on their high horse and tries to judge people they don't know who are. When you are pregnant, all of the sudden you are the world's property. Strangers feel free to invade your personal space and touch your belly. You see people stare at pregnant women at Starbucks. People you don't know decide you shouldn't be shoveling your driveway or lifting that box and aren't afraid to tell you. They feel free to tell you if you shouldn't be driving or flying. Some peoples' comments are pretty "out there".
Brag, whether that woman drank while she was pregnant was NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.
Wow. You're pretty defensive about this. Maybe open communication with your husband about the way you feel about his indulging in what you couldn't have would be more productive than being pissed off at me because I care a little bit about the health of an unborn child.
ReplyDeleteMaybe this, actually, explains why you remain anonymous...
I get it now and I'm not longer frustrated with you, specifically. I guess if you don't even feel the ability to express your feelings with your spouse openly and honestly, then why would I expect you to do the same here.
Either way, I'm glad we have come to this conclusion, and I feel we can now move forward into exploring some more healthy communication styles with each other.
Oh, and please check your spelling through your rage. I know I don't have the ability to address you personally, since you can't express your needs-even with those closest to you-but I would appreciate if you spelled my name correctly. I feel it goes much further to your credibility if you cared at least that much.
ReplyDeleteI'm not trying to be a jerk. This is an example of assertive communication. I can express my needs without using rage, anger, ire, or a desire to put my fist through a computer monitor.
Is nothing scandalous? If it feels good, do it! Society should have nothing to say about anything. Everything is ok? Taboos are yesterday’s issues; that may be. I don’t think it’s a good thing.
ReplyDeleteOnce again, the point of my post was lost on you, Brag. I had no right to tell my husband what to eat or drink during my pregnancy. And he had no right to judge me either (though of course he was happy I made the choices I made). God gave me the choice to offer my health to my child (or not). And my choices are between me and God. Not me and the bartender.
ReplyDeleteI love the fact that anonymous still spelled your name, "Brag." Love it.
ReplyDeleteI love how anonymous sidestepped the discussion when I told her she couldn't communicate openly with her husband about the way she feels and then spelled my name Brag as if that were the real issue.
ReplyDeleteIt helps knowing where the other person's maturity level is in a discussion because now I can't get frustrated anymore.
Wait, that was wrong. You're absolutely right, Anonymous. I'm usually lost on your point.
ReplyDeleteI guess maybe I was thinking with research showing how alcohol and tobacco and caffeine and chocolate and cheese, etc. are shown to reduce the growth and development of both fetus and infants, directly resulting in their health, that maybe I could make a judgment call on what a mother does with a "bun in the oven", so to speak.
I guess I would figure a conservative like yourself would also agree since that means you, me, and all the other tax payers have to pay additional premiums to pay for the ignorant expectant mothers.
But since I don't have all the knowledge and facts that you do, what since you have the ability to actually carry a child to term and we men are the evil sons of bitches who put them in you don't, I'll just keep my mouth shut from now on whenever you "speak".
But it's not going to change the way I see you as an immature individual in the world. Now, if you'll excuse me, it's time to take a cue from my avatar, as was mentioned once before in a comment thread on this blog...
If you didn't think I was worth responding to, you wouldn't respond, Brag. I do admit I like getting under your skin...
ReplyDeleteFace it... Christian feminism isn't going away nor are people who believe that you can be morally pro-life and legally pro-choice.
And, no, I don't think you have a right to tell pregnant people what to do if you've never been pregnant; whether you're male or female.
hrm....
ReplyDeleteI guess I have some work to do since I am, in fact, morally pro-life and legally pro-choice.
But since you're self righteous you can guarantee that I won't respond to you anymore.
What is Christian feminism?
ReplyDeleteBrag,
ReplyDeletePromise?
Steve,
Google.